From: Dickey, Michael F (michael_f_dickey@groton.pfizer.com)
Date: Wed Feb 05 2003 - 12:40:45 MST
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From: Max M [mailto:maxmcorp@worldonline.dk]
"But what I really don't understand is that there is a relatively large
group here that practically *only* discuss politics. I frankly cannot see
why they should choose to do it here. There must be more interresting venues
for that. It seems to me that the extropians list is really two lists. One
where politics are discussed, and one where extropian ideas are discussed.
And rarely does the two groups overlap."
Your statement seems to imply that politics and extropian ideals are not
related. I can not think that anything would be further from the truth.
The two are intimately and intrinsically linked. You should instead say
'one list where extropian political ideas are discussed' and 'one list where
extropian science and technological ideas are discussed' But often these
will overlap, as in the discussion on nuclear power. As I said in my post
to Amara on this subject
"Bringing about a better world for all humans is not only going to happen
through science and technology, but will necessarily require changes in
politics, economics, and the humanities, and as such a concentrated effort
to bring about that better world will necessarily require discussions of
those topics."
As Extropy Vice Pres Greg Burch said on this topic
"First, I've asked myself the question of whether the subject of the Iraq
war has a sufficiently transhumanist or extropian component to warrant such
a huge portion of the bandwidth here. In many ways, the subject is skew to
extropians interests, since the potential combatants on both sides have so
little sympathy for extropian ideas and ideals. But, ultimately I suppose
there is sufficient relevance to the reason for this List's existence to
tolerate such a large volume of discussion: To name just three, questions of
war and peace on such a scale can effect that march of progress toward a
transhuman world, the evolution of methods of warfare will be relevant to
our interests, and the geopolitical alignment of the large interest groups
in the world over the next few decades will certainly have an impact on our
goals. "
If you have a plan to achieve a singularity, or a better world in general,
that does not have anything to do with politics, I would love to hear it.
There will be no singularity if computers are outlawed and we are all
reduced to substinence agriculture.
Michael Dickey
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