From: MaxPlumm@aol.com
Date: Mon Feb 03 2003 - 20:40:24 MST
MaxPlumm wrote:
> > "One of the most original and intelligent minds of this movement -
EUGEN LEITL - has
> > already unsubscribed extropy list because he could't stand the battle
cries
> > here on this list any more. This is huge loss for the movement."
> In what sense? One must be willing to articulate and defend their
positions in order to
> change minds and courses of action. It's not much of a movement if you
don't debate with
> those that have differing opinions than yourself and attempt to change
their minds. You're
> just standing still at that point. Again, your attitude is, if someone's
attitude is
> different than mine, it's just "battle cries." If Mr. Leitl is unwilling
to challenge the
> positions of others with more than useless labels before retreating in a
huff, then I
> don't see the loss.
To which Emlyn responded to me:
"If you don't see Eugen unsubbing as a loss, then you are a fool."
Thank you, Emlyn, for illustrating precisely what I mean. I put forth an
argument defining my position, and am met with an insult. I meant no malice
toward Mr. Leitl personally, I am merely pointing out that it isn't worth
leaving over a position you aren't willing to defend. Not everyone thinks
that action in Iraq is necessarily a bad idea. In fact, several have argued
that is extropic and transhuman to endorse such an action, and that not
supporting it is detrimental to both movements. That doesn't make them
"warmongers", or puppets of the United States government. If you are
unwilling to hear different point of views, or at best merely label them with
insults, then why participate on the forum to begin with?
Regards,
Max Plumm
"At every turn, we have been beset by those who find everything wrong with
America and little that is right."
-Richard Nixon
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Mon Feb 03 2003 - 20:42:41 MST