From: Cory Przybyla (recherchetenet@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jan 26 2003 - 16:43:18 MST
You assumed too much intent in my statement. I wasn't
actually pretending as if there weren't cases where
athiests behave as such, just curious on how difficult
it is to find documentation. I wanted to eliminate a
slew of posts on communism, because of the threads a
month or so ago, making me assume it would do no
benefit to the list to open an opportunity for people
to flame communism, then capatalism back and forth for
a few more weeks. The major religions unquestionably
all have atrocities that were committed for their
beliefs and their beliefs alone. It sounds as if you
suggest they might have done this in China, but as my
knowledge (which is admittedly weak on the subject)
stands, it was far more complex. I also would say it
doesn't quite parallel if the religious communities
were documentably causing strife in the 'workers
paradise' so that their reasons for purging them in
the name of communism would atleast be logical (not
defending them or claiming that this was in fact the
case).
To clarify the intent in my question I've actually
noticed a rising number, in america, of hostile
athiests, as it has spread heavily into the
disenfranchised youth. I'm utterly amazed that no one
has gone out yet and burnt a church or mosque down in
the name of athiesm and thought maybe it was just my
naivete that I've not found these cases yet.
Also take note, I'm not defending "my group" as I
don't consider myself an atheist.
Now a question for you. You have said repeatedly of
the dangers of the islam in the war threads, no? And
suggested it justifies bombing them as long as the end
brings less intolerance. So, wouldn't this be killing
in the name of <insert whatever religion or lack of
you support> to the same extent as those who saw
religion as a direct threat to their communo-paradise.
How would this be distinct from what the communists
supported? Or perhaps, is it different?
--- Spudboy100@aol.com wrote:
> recherchetenet asked:
> <<could you supply any links to articles or
> historical
> documents of atheists' intolerant actions done in
> the
> name of atheism (as opposed to being an atheist and
> being intolerant due to some other, perhaps
> quasi-religious political cause)? And are you here
> considering intolerance of the source of persecution
> in this. Obviously most of us are intolerant of
> those
> who opinions are such as revoking freedoms in the
> name
> of nothing other than dogma or their culture. >>
>
> Hmm, you are phrasing your question, in a fashion to
> eliminate the Soviets,
> the Maoists, the Khmer Rouge, The North Vietnamese,
> the North Koreans, and so
> forth, from consideration. Bad Show!
>
> The barbarities and oppression practiced by such
> regimes was stated as part
> and parcel to eliminate superstitions that were
> holding the workers of the
> world back; and antithetical to socialism.
>
> Someone defending the Church against charges that
> they promoted the tortures
> and murders of Torquemada might ask: Can you supply
> any link to historical
> documents that might suggest that the Fathers of the
> Church specifically
> ordered the execution of innocents? The catch is
> nobody in the Church would
> claim that the victims were innocent. That is-nobody
> at the time would've :-)
>
> Atheism was and is part and parcel of the mentality
> of the People's Republic
> of China, today; and the primary reason they have
> attacked and arrested that
> silly (whatever is its name) cult.
>
> If you are contending that Atheists are incapable of
> doing evil, it reminds
> me of the verbiage I get from Christians, when I
> opine, during discussions;
> about certain atrocities done in Jesus' name. I get
> the spiel: Oh, those
> weren't really Christians!" I sometimes reply, "Well
> who were they then,
> Martians, Eskimo's?"
>
> I think one has to accept the evil one's groups
> behavior that has been done,
> once it has been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt.
> Its like a bad marriage,
> one either stays in it for the good it may offer, or
> one gets out.
>
> Please don't say: "oh those weren't really atheists
> who committed murders
> under the banner of Communism, those were
> socialist." Or they were from Mars,
> mayhaps? :^)
>
>
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