RE: War arguments

From: Gary Miller (garymiller@starband.net)
Date: Wed Jan 22 2003 - 13:59:04 MST


To Mike Lorrey,

Mike I was born in 1959. And I guess at my age when the Vietnam War
ended, I was media brainwashed into thinking that after the North
Vietnam's initial takeover and massacre when we left that there was
basicly peace in that region.

Your clear explanation of the aftermath of us pulling out has completely
changed my mind about Vietnam. I still don't think we fought to win, if
we had I think we could have won. But I didn't realize that so many
people who shared our ideals died after we left.

I haven't voiced in as a hawk or a dove as yet on the war with Iraq.
But I don't think I want to sit on the fence here anymore.

I want Sadam Hussein out of there, but I don't want a lot of innocents
killed either or on our side or theirs!

Waiting for him to die is not an option his son publicly murdered a man
in front of foreign visitors!
And we hear that he crippled his brother to prevent him from competing
with him once his father died.

It is true we have an unfortunate history of backing the wrong people.
And I know we have had a role in helping more than one dictator get and
stay in power. But I like to think once we realize our mistake that we
undergo the pain to admit it and correct it.

What would happen if we made Sadam pay personally like we did Kahdafi?

1. Take out all of the air defense and command & control that we know
about like we did in the first war. Any mobile launchers that we've
identified remove also.

2. Use ground troops to protect the oil fields from being destroyed for
the peoples sake.

3. Then just bomb the presidential palaces with our precision guided
bombs. And use one of the
Deep penetrating bombs where we know his bomb shelters lie.

4. Then we just wait... If that's not enough to kill him, or send him
into exile, or have him overthrown then we cut off his supply lines and
play a waiting game.

5. If a weapon of mass destruction is used by him, we document it for
the world, and wait some more until a significant number of Coalition
lives are lost to these weapons. When this happens the world will see
that we were right and the level of restraint we have used to this
point.

6. I doubt it will get to this point but if it does. We need to use
block busters on whereever the
weapon was fired from and wait again. If think this will require a
great amount of restraint but proceeding in this manner while it may
prolong the war will demonstrate to the world and more importantly to
ourselves our commitment to minimizing casualties on both sides!

We are rapidly approaching a point where countries will attempt to
attain nuclear weapons if for no other reason that to blackmail us into
getting them to remove them. We should not have to bear this burden
alone! If we give into North Korea's blatent attempt at blackmail, we
open the door for any third-world country that has put it's military
needs in front of it's own people's welfare.

I also really resent what France is doing now. They are giving Sadam an
out, a hope that he will once again squirm away. And they are going to
force our country to act without world support. We already have
everything underway, we can't let all of our troops just hang out over
there until we bankrupt our country and France knows this.

It is very undiplomatic of me to say this but they are a very small
self-important country. Historically they have been very important, but
everyone in America that I know who has visited there comes away shaking
their head at the rudeness of the people. If you speak their language
poorly you held in more contempt than if you don't even try. Even their
diplomats have been overheard making antisemetic remarks. They think
their language is the best, their food the best and they have a hate for
globalization. They can't stand it that America is now making wine that
equals theirs. They are the second largest producer of weapons besides
the United States. I know that they a still a major cultural center in
Europe and that that people travel there for the museums, the culture
and the food. But if this is the way they choose to repay us we need to
vote with our wallets and stay home, buy American wine, and invest our
tourist dollars in those countries who stand with us in our time of
need. Great Britain I salute you and when I make it to Europe, it will
be your country where I choose to spend my dollars!

Samantha, I hope and pray you are wrong about all the lives that will be
lost. I too have many misgivings about the leadership of George W.
Bush. In this decision I can not fault him though. I also hope when
this over we and the UN can guide Iraq and Afghanistan to building
countries where the Moslem people have the most rights and highest
standard of living in the world. Their peoples must advance for in the
end the oil will run out and we will move on the other forms of energy.
If they are kept in empovrished and uneducated by their governments and
religious rulers in the end they will be left with sand.





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