RE: rooting for the Americans

From: Dickey, Michael F (michael_f_dickey@groton.pfizer.com)
Date: Mon Jan 20 2003 - 13:02:13 MST


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From: humania@t-online.de [mailto:humania@t-online.de]

Samantha Atkins:

> "I think we are more noble as Americans when we take our heritage
seriously
> enough to avoid entanglements all over the globe

Michael Dickey:

> As free people, do we not value
> freedom, and in doing so, wish freedom upon others?
> [...] I do not understand your
> claim that we have 'no business' going there (Iraq) as 'free people'?
Should we get
> in the habit of just not caring about people unless they are Americans?

"I have a hard time imagining you honestly believing, that the Bush junta
wages war on Saddam because they want Iraquis to be free from oppression.
What a cynical joke and what a bitter laugh! The Iraquis happen to live on
the second largest and easy to access oil reservoir on earth. "

And if Oil were the only issue then why are we sitting idly by while a
corrupt dictator named Chavez attempts to nationalize and take control over
the Venezuela Oil production industry, of which we obtain some 1/3rd of our
imported oil from?

And so what if oil a motivational aspect of it, do you think free productive
societies should be able to use oil for the purposes of production, trade,
and creativity or corrupt despotic murderous dictators should be able to use
it to invade, oppress, and slaughter?

"And here they go again: fucked up old men send their sons to die. Same old
disgusting story, same old fucking lies. And they managed to get you
brainwashed so meanwhile you probably believe, Saddam himself has initiated
the WTC crash."

Of course I can make the same exact statements directed toward you 'Same old
disguting story, same old lies, and they managed to brainwash you..." Etc.
etc.

"Wake up. There is not a single noble motive behind this new attempt for
world domination."

World Domination? As you said "I have a hard time imagining you honestly
believe" that. What is this world dominations goal? To create democtratic
constitutional republic with market based economies throughout the world?
And where do you see a problem with this? What do you believe this 'world
domination' goal is? To create an oppresive dispotic dictator with Bush Jr
as the "Ameriworlddictatorforlife"?

"There are lots of dicators left besides Saddam,"

True enough, and I think as a humanist, an extropian, and generally
concerned about the value of life person you should support efforts to
remove such murderous dictators from power. That have no moral
justification for existence and exist only as promulgators of death, hatred,
intolerence, murder, and every other anti-extropian value you can imagine.
Unfortunately the only murderous dictator that the current administration
can convice a majority of the general survivor watching liberal brainswashed
public that it is in our interest and humanities interest to dispose of is
Saddam. Hopefully North Korea, argued by many to be the single worst
country on earth, is next.

Yet people like you who allegedly support freedom and human liberties
condemn him in his efforts to dispose of a murderous dictator, on what moral
grounds do you make such a condemnation?

"while the US won't even think of invading their countries, because you
won't find any oil there."

If Oil, terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, a clear record of aggressive
foriegn policy, a clear hatred of the US and western values, and a racist
murderous dictator *still* isnt enough to convice members of the public,
such as yourself, that it is worthwhile to remove Saddam from power, how can
you expect the adminstration to use *only* OIL to justify the removal of
other corrupt murderous dictators?

In one sentence you condemn the US and the adminstration for attempting to
remove such a tyrant from a position of power with all this evidence in
place and then in the next sentence criticize that same adminstration for
not removing other tryants from power over only oil.

It is clearly in the worlds best interest that free societies use energy for
productive reasons than letting murderous tryant dictators use the cheapest
most abundant source of energy for murder and tyranny.

Michael

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