Re: List dynamics (was Re: Are we defeated by the very topics we feel passionate about?)

From: Jef Allbright (jef@jefallbright.net)
Date: Sun Jan 19 2003 - 18:52:45 MST


Brett expresses some observations very similar to my own with this list. To
me, it is dissapointing to see so much intellectual energy spent on debating
games, one-upsmanship, and displays of prowess.

I notice that many of the more thoughtful posters have adopted a strategy of
posting an interesting contribution or comment, but generally not engaging
in responses to the less productive games mentioned above. This is probably
an optimum strategy given the current list dynamics, but far less than what
could be achieved.

I continue to read almost all messages on this list, because I continue to
find gems of insight and information almost daily. But I dream of what might
be possible if we worked together, with the purpose of discussion and debate
first to establish some common understanding, and then to clarify and
highlight differences and follow up on them.

Human nature being what it is, each person tends to see their own viewpoint
as more valuable than the other's. Language being what it is, people tend
to take offense or feel slighted, when no offense was intended.
Understanding being what it is, we each come from our own perspective and
base of pre-existing knowledge and filters, and tend not to see that the
other person's knowledge base and filters are equally valid -- to them.

Brett's point about the most recent comment carrying the greatest perceived
value is an important one. It's inherent in the serial nature of a list
such as this. Another weakness of this serial structure is that old
information must be restated again and again.

One possible way to improve the effectiveness of information sharing on this
list might be to create a web-based structure of shared knowledge to
complement the discussion on this list. It may be time now for an extropian
wiki site.

It would allow us to capture knowledge and build upon it. The
non-centralized nature of a wiki would allow anyone (who cared enough) to
create their own pages and link to others. During discussion on the current
list, people could conveniently point to links on the wiki to provide added
depth or clarification. It would prevent a lot of repetition, and having to
get the last word.

What do others think? Is it time?

- Jef



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