Re: twinkle, twinkle

Chris Hind (
Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:13:49 -0800

>>We Are Libertarians! (Sorry, I just couldn't help it)
> Who do you mean by 'we'?

I appears as though the majority of extropians on this list are
libertarians so I generalized.

>>Without hype, nothing usually ever gets accomplished.
> Prove it.

It seems that the masses today are uneducated and mindless and that the
media seems to direct the majority of any progress in any given area by
shining their spotlight on it. There are many weak minds out there which
are easily influenced by the media. We need to educate them the correct
way. If there weren't so many weak minds, you wouldn't have stupid kids
laying in the middle of roads trying to copy movies and getting run over.
Huh, evolution at it's best i guess.

>>You NEED media hype to stir up action and motivate people.
> Prove it.

Would you be motivated by a boring speech? People today want drama and action.

>>blatant anarchy people always rise to power to lead the masses.
> Prove it.

Look at certain third world countries where dictatorships rise out of
anarchy. You need to have highly educated masses to have a working anarchy.

>>There must always be a king of the mountain aka leader in the area of fresh
>>new ideas not necessarily having power but often does acquire it.
> If you believe that, why are you on this list? If you believe that
>there must be a leader, then you are inevitably saying that there must be
>followers. One of the underlying pillars of libertarianism is the idea of
>non-serviam: I Will Not Follow.

When a particular person has a dream and is a good motivator, people follow
it. Ever heard of cooperation? If there was no cooperation how would
ANYTHING get accomplished? I myself like the franchise government idea
meantioned in Snow Crash. I see private industry taking over and running
the gov't on a pay basis and everything inbetween anarchy.

>What I
>(and many others) have been seeing on this list lately is a transgression
>from extropy to some varied ideas on a cultish 'progress' movement relying
>on media and irrational radical conformism. Not something I would like to
>be part of, thanks. People who have been on the list for years are starting
>to leave...and I'm sad to say that I can't blame them. When I read a post
>such as this, the exact words that enter my mind are: "What the Hell are you
>talking about?" The bottom line is that I am not the only one who feels
>this way.

You're jumping to conclusions and causing paranoia. It's not that bad. If
you pointed this out everytime you saw it then I would agree but it appears
you were triggered off by solely this post which doesn't give a whole lot
of evidence.

"You cannot discover new oceans, unless you have the courage
to lose sight of the shore"

Chris Hind Upward, Outward, ACTION! (310-374-5543) Redondo Beach, CA
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