Re: accept no limits

Anders Sandberg (
Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:23:02 +0100 (MET)

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 wrote:

> On Nov. 6 'gene writes:
> >But that's what physics and extrapolation says. You can't lick Malthus,
> >nor exponential growth in a limited universe, not on the really long
> >run.
> 'gene, what the hell are you talking about? Since when is Malthus one
> of the prophets of the future?

Even if Malthus was an entropic bastard, his argument is valid. We cannot
expand faster than light, and inside a bounded volume (like spacelike
slices of our future lightcone) the Bekenstein Bound seems to hold. This
implies that exponential growth of *anything* only is possible in the
"short" term (which could be *very* long), then it has to grow as t^3 or
slower (assuming a Minkovsky spacetime).

[To circumvent this we need either a way to expand FTL, build interlinked
wormhole empires or break the Bekenstein Bound. None of these are known to
be possible (although the wormholes might be less unlikely than the

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