Re: Action and identity (was Re: Upload rehearsal?)

Anders Sandberg (
Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:57:35 +0100 (MET)

On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Anders Sandberg wrote:
> > I identify myself with what I *do*, not what I *am*.
> Doesn't *doing* presuppose *identity* presuppose *existence*?

Well, I don't doubt my own existence. What I doubt it identity in the
common usage of the term - some inner core that is forever unchanged.

> Do you
> identify yourself with only the top of this hierarchy, as actions
> independent of the being to which they are ascribed? Am I reading to
> much into your words!?

Well, my philosophy is still somewhat fuzzy - I know what I mean, but I have
so far not formalized my views. I think we are biased to place strict binary
limits of 'me' and 'not-me' where there shouldn't be any - where do you end?
Beyond your brain? Beyond your skin? Beyond your clothes? Beyond your
personal space? Beyond your social interactions? As I see it, there is no
black and white limit, just a gradual decrease of selfness. And this selfness
can change greatly. There is no fixed 'me', just a bundle of causally
interconnected events that share some common qualities.

When I use the word 'I', I refer to this bundle. And since I prefer to
look at its dynamic structure rather than its constituents (which are
always flowing through it: ideas, atoms, energy...), I fully subscribe to
the slogan "I am a verb":

I am not an individual.
An atom with a shining gnostic nucleus.
I am a wind, a verb, a process
That evolves and changes by my own rules.

Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension!
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