Re: The Poor Masses
Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:16:04 -0400

Snip of a debate between John and Saresh (Leftilib vs. Anarcaprocy)

>How many children don't get an education because they have

>to work in sweatshops in order to support themselves. India

>is a good example of capitalism running amuck.

( john)
>>Do you think people in India are sub human? Do you think they love their
>children less than we do? The reason they send their young children to work
in factories is that the alternative is worse, starvation and >death, you've
said the same thing yourself " they will do anything to survive". You want to

>stop this child labor, the thing that let's them survive, and that doesn't
>seem like a very smart thing to do, and it CERTAINLY doesn't seem very

It seems as though the major difference I see here is in the simple
assumption that one either CAN or CAN'T protect the "starving masses" from
the greed of others. One crucial element , and one I keep harping (angelic)
on is *changing*
the moral systems that keep people doing what they are doing...

Saresh, you seem to feel that these people are too dumb and/or helpless to
take care of thier own needs or political choices and you will make them for
them. John you seem to think that they are fully aware of the choices that
they make and have the critical faculties and/or ability to empower
themselves and do that which is in their best interests.
I say that with current memes (including, In India for example, Hinduism and
other religions that assert that suffering is a good thing, or one's proper
place in the scheme of things) give us access to a vast "meme- deficiency"
data base that needs to be addressed. If we're going to achieve an
anarcho-capitalist freedom, I propose that most of the developed planet
needs a big Codependant's Anonymous meeting, and the rest of the
(3rd world?) planet needs to go to Catholics (or substitue any mindless
acceptance of suffering and subordination with the promise of a better
afterlife) Anonymous.