Re: Nonlocality, Spontaneous Order

Anders Sandberg (
Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:36:48 +0200 (MET DST)

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Crosby_M wrote:

> The implications of these latest theories of evolution & physics take us
> far beyond the simplistic entropy and heat death scenarios of
> traditional physics (note that Rosen is explicitly saying that complex
> adaptive systems cannot be modeled as Markov processes, which is a basic
> assumption in Frank Tipler's "Physics of Immortality", for example)

What evidence is there that Rosen's models describe reality better than
the usual ones?

And where does Tipler rely on modelling complex systems as Markov
processes? His main arguments about the Eternal Return and the Bekenstein
Bound applies to just about any system; even if the system does it best
to be unpredictable or organized it *has to* repeat itself in a finite
time if it is finite and non-growing. Markov processes are awfully general.

> Some recent posts have claimed that the universe is compressible because
> it contains so much space, ignoring that this 'space' is far from empty,
> being filled with sundry species of cosmic rays and 'vital' dust
> (archives of the universe?)

What is the evidence that vacuum is not a state of near maximal entropy?
(One vacuum with virtual particles looks like any other vacuum -> *very*
high entropy)

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