POL: Non-individualism

Twirlip of Greymist (phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu)
Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT)

On Jul 30, 1:47pm, Ben Goertzel wrote:

} What worries me really is the link between transhumanism and
} individualism -- a link which is reflected in Libertarian politics.
} Transhumanism, to me, means going beyond humanity -- but it is not
} necessarily an INDIVIDUAL quest, is it? Can't we think in terms of the

We are Extropians. We are libertarian SO-loving transhumanists. Plus
Lyle. Turning humanity into the Borg or the clone society at the end of
the _Forever War_ is also transhumanism. It is not extropianism. The
transhuman list exists for discussions of generic transhumanism,
although many of them are individual oriented, although not necesarily
anarchic. (Not all of us are completely anarchic.) If you want a more
collective transhumanist community, start a new mailing list.

} whole human race transcending itself?

Yes, we can. _We'd_ rather not. I thought _Childhood's End_ and
_Foundation and Earth_ had unhappy endings (Go Solaria!).

Merry part,
-xx- Damien R. Sullivan X-) <*> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix

To believe that consciousness can survive the
wreck of the brain is like believing that 70
mph can survive the wreck of the car.
-- Frank Zindler
(I wasn't trying to flame Lyle. I'm just not sure what his politics