Re: Reincarnation,Was Tao of Physics - fun claptrap (wasreligionbashing)

J. R. Molloy (
Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:03:09 -0800

From: Robert Owen <>
>And, if the above it untrue, what empirical evidence can you cite to
>falsify it?

Replicant had asked, "it is of no use if we can't remember it, [so,] what's the point of this fantasy anyway?" in reference to reincarnation. To which I responded that remembrance does not, in itself, confer any point of its own. IOW, the "point" of anything does not necessarily rely on one's memory of it. A forgetful mind reincarnated must (obviously) remain forgetful. "You" didn't remember then, so "you" can't remember now, because the lack of memory got reincarnated along with the rest of "you."

A reincarnated amnesiac must, by definition, have no memory of a former existence (to preserve the accuracy of the reincarnation). Hence, Gurdieff admonished "Remember yourself" to break the cycle. It comes down to understanding the meaning of the word reincarnation (or Eternal Recurrence, in Nietzsche's lexicon). Literal or simplistic metaphors tend to get in the way of understanding underlying principles and physics.

I don't believe in the popular (supernatural) notion of reincarnation, and suspect that Siddhartha Gautama used the (Hindu) idea of reincarnation as a device to encourage people to wake up from entrancing ideas of metaphysics. Pure consciousness (objective awareness of reality) recurs as pure consciousness in different manifestations (bodies), without regard to identity or personality (because identity constitutes contamination of otherwise pure consciousness). This reality requires no supernatural mumbo-jumbo. Consciousness (or algebra, for that matter) reincarnates, or replicates, in brains which maintain the patterns involved. The complexity of reality rather consistently outpaces the brain's attempts to remember all of it.
Reality has no universal point, so points remain pointless, and the adventure continues to continue.

"Keep on keeping on." --Superfly