Re: Preventing AI Breakout [was Genetics, nannotechnology, and ,

Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:41:12 -0500

Matt Gingell wrote:
> "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky" <>
> >> On what basis do you define qualia as non-Turing-computable?
> >
> > Well, they aren't, so why should I define them as Turing-computable?
> The assertion that qualia are not computable is totally meaningless.
> Compare against the assertion that baseballs are non-computable or
> that qualia are NP-complete. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Yes, I do. Baseballs are non-computable, although the *important* part of their behavior is easily computable. Baseballs are quantum-random, but not visibly. NP-completeness is a predicate that describes problems, not algorithms, so it can't apply to qualia.

I might point also point out that truly random processes, strictly speaking, require a minor extension of Turing computability; it's just that the qualitative behavior of a random process can be simulated by pseudo-random processes (or, for finite processes, hidden variables in the initial state). The assertion that baseballs are non-computable is not only meaningful, it is trivially true. Frankly, your assertion that the noncomputability of a process is "meaningless" is so odd that I'm starting to question your own understanding of Turing computability.

> > I ain't goin' over this again; search the archives.
> If you don't want to go into it then provide a direct reference.


> The above is just juvenile.

Nyah nyah.

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