Fresh Meat

Renee Chantrill-Paul (
Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:55:26 PDT

I recently signed into the extropian mailing list a few weeks ago and have been sifting through your abundant correspondances. I found it amusing how some people commented on the "anger" or "aggressiveness" of this list.

I say, "AAAHHHH they're alive!!!"

Be angry, be passionate, be compassionate also over another viewpoint. After all people that touch your life will either reaffirm your convictions or change them. The path to intellectual "truth" (which I have purposely encased in quotations, is to remark that what "truth" is is exclusively the given individual's perception of what it is) means you may build on a hypothesis then par hassard, be forced to tear that investment down in order to construct a more solid one. Ah there is such expenses involved....but the next will be even better, stronger in your life's goal.

Finding intellectual "truth" may also be attributed to making an honest try at being objective in cultivating ones interests.

How to be objective? One example is living in foreign countries (I spent 3 years in Paris) and have regular daily contact with the native people. One realizes by discovery that while learning about this foriegn country, you are learning even more about your own (through cultural comparison and the natives' perception of your home country).

With that being said, I would like to comment on this education issue that seems to be maintaining a lively dialogue. To address the point of religion in schools- I read the Kansas resolution and to say the least, was chilled to the bone--I feel as many others, that it has no place there as per intent.

Church is free and abundant in the USA with 40% of the nation paying their respects at least once a week. And as far as their children getting religious education-- don't they have Sunday SCHOOL programs at church?

If religious folks want religion in school, to be fair all religions should be taught with equal attention to the subject, theology, to give all its honest due and as a subject to be studied not narrow-mindedly indoctrinated. (perhaps the Christian Coalition would not have this *quite* in mind.

I wouldn't actually mind it being taught in a manner taken for the ancient religions and religious dieties; (i.e. the Egyptian/Greek/Roman Gods) as myth with historical importance.

I would also like to comment on the "reducing sex drive" issue. Before that I should mention that I am a feminist. Wait don't sigh...I'm not one of those WASPy girls that are as much in touch with reality as our fairy tale maiden with the long red hair in a certain tower. I'm a Camille-Paglia-let's- be- real-
ace-it-that-with-freedom-comes-responsibility-wake-up-upper-middle-clas s-girls-I-grew-up-with- that-
u-want-to-think-that-boys-will-behave-nice-like-girls-then-perhaps-you- need-a-chaperone-on-your-outings-my-lassies-because-testostrone-is-dangerous -!!!!-!!! kind of feminist.

It may be dangerous, volitale, but it's also the woman's "ace in the hole". Men do "strange things" that go not only against their intellectual but biological nature as well. They assist in raising children, work extremely hard on their career (often something they may not enjoy) and live peaceably in a society.

If they don't their fundamental urges are denied. ANyone ever seen the movie
"Trading Places", where Eddie Murphy says, "I lost my job, my wife won't
make love to me no more"? hmmmmm.

The male sex drive indirectly does alot of good for women (besides the obvious direct part). If we diminished it we would loose the female power to bend men to the will of women. (which fundamentally is bearing and nuturing children to adulthood). Occasional anti-societal manifestations, I believe, are a small price to pay for the overall benefits. I say, hail testosterone!! Keep it going until the last man has transfered his mind into his nano-immortality machine....

Once we have reached voluntary immortality. Sex will no longer be an issue anyway, right? Could loosing the sexual interest mean to loose the interest to think and be our clever pre-transhuman selves? I think not. We could loose the interest in sex simply through lack of hormones, but thinking is so fundamentally tied to the conscious mind that it may be happy to plod along ad infinitum learning its fancies. Those who loose interest could always "unplug" themselves.

Before everyone nods off, I want to mention some of my favorite authors and would like to hear of any recommendations. Matt Ridley, Richard Dawkins (I noticed others share my interest there). ALso Carl Djerassi for his science-in-fiction novels--lots of fun. For real feminism (not -nazism)Camille Paglia. Political freshness??, Aldous Huxley (no not just
"Brave New World").

In further regard to Huxley's novels: One can learn alot more from ficitious dinner parties in the 1920s then through political debates on television today. It was a time of hope, worry, and major political turmoil. The mixing of many intellectual minds and their repsective political parties. A period on the brink of National Socialism that fell on the Industrialized world. As we move into the new century/millineum this grey cloud still looms over us.......

Best Regards,

Renee Chantrill

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