Re: Media discussion and disagreements

Zeb Haradon (
Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:42:49 -0700

I think you should beat her for it

-----Original Message-----
From: Max More <>
To: <> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Media discussion and disagreements

>Honey -- it looks like you posted this to the Extropians list and not the
>Transhumanist list..
>At 07:22 PM 10/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Max asked me to post this to the transhuman list.
>>At 11:22 AM 10/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>>This is my one and only message to the Extropians list on this topic. I
>>>have not been reading the list for a few weeks and do not want to be
>>>involved in Kathryn's issues. However, after receiving a slew of private
>>>mail from her I scanned the posts that involved this latest outburst and
>>>I'm responding. I have no interest in or time to continue after this
>>>Lee Daniel Crocker made sense to me:
>>>> "...the fact that you are now putting together media material cannot
>>>> discount earlier materials put together by people who have been doing
>>>> this for years. Also, the fact that we have been doing this for years
>>>> does not discount the work of your or other people who are putting
>>>> media materials and press kits together..."
>>>>I suppose if you really stretched the limits of the language you might
>>>>be able to interpret that as an accusation that you've ignored earlier
>>>>efforts for some unspecified reason, but I certainly don't read it that
>>>>way. It reads to me like just idle chest-pounding: Hey! Look at me!
>>>>I've done that too!
>>>I think Natasha was pointing out what had already been done and was being
>>>done. Probably a good idea since Kathryn seems to see us as enemies
>>>(something entirely of her creation) and so we can't expect to receive
>>>credit from her.
>>>Eliezer wrote:
>>>>As near as I can tell: Kathryn started it when she misinterpreted
>>>>Natasha, then Natasha gratuitously used a curse-word. I would say
>>>>you're both about equally to blame for all this. Furthermore, as far as
>>>>I can tell, you don't have anything to actually argue about, since as
>>>>*both* of you have stated your respective publications have nothing to
>>>>do with each other.
>>>Eliezer's comment also made sense, from what I read. However, I can
>>>understand Natasha's use of "crap" since we *have* been getting crap from
>>>Kathryn for no good reason. Kathryn has said that I "yelled" at her,
>>>is untrue, and she has caused trouble for Natasha over and over.
>>>use of "crap" may seem gratuitous, but given what she's put up with I
>>>it's *entirely reasonable*, if not as informative as it might be to those
>>>not involved.
>>>I'm not going to go over everything issue and past problem point by
>>>I simply am not willing to expend my time and energy on this. Kathryn
>>>one or two anti-extropians on the Transhumanist list) may want to
>>>that I see her as an enemy. I do not. I see in Kathryn someone with many
>>>good qualities, but I also see someone who persistently misinterprets,
>>>makes harmful assumptions, and engenders conflicts. I don't have time for
>>>this. I would not even post this message, except that I'm sick of seeing
>>>Natasha being the object of this nonsense.
>>>With the time that I'm finally about to see opening up, I'm looking
>>>to getting back to working on the ExI website, which badly needs
>>>and getting out an issue of the Exponent newsletter.

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