Re: Is the death penalty Extropian?
Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:24:21 EST

In a message dated 11/30/98 3:55:36 PM Central Standard Time, writes:

> > wrote:
> >
> > > However in state sponsored executions I would like to see the method
> changed.
> > > I think total body organ harvesting would be much more appropriate.
> >
> > Hardly. Putting a profit motive before the state would cause the state to
> seek to
> > expand the penalty to more and more crimes. Even, and especially, in a
> popular
> > democracy, with an aging population, there will be public pressure to
> expand the
> > penalty to more and more crimes. Larry Niven discussed this in many of
> Known
> > Space stories.
> Absolutely. China has been engaged in for-profit organ harvesting of
> executed
> prisoners for at least the past 20 years. Not only are these prisoners
> executed in
> public stadiums, but their organs are harvested immediately afterwards and
> sold to
> the highest bidder. The Chinese government, inept in obtaining money by
> legitimate economic means, resorts to the most arbitrary definition of what
> a
> "criminal" is, that it can essentially arrest anyone at anytime for any
> reason.
> Motivate arbitrary arrest with a profit motive, and you have one of the
> cruel
> and tyrannical governments on the planet.
> Perhaps that is why, when I see rhetoric on this list discussing mechanisms
> moving in
> the same direction (no matter how well intended), I see China as the end
> result.
> There is a reason we have the Bill of Rights, because humans are fallible,
> and large
> numbers of them without checks and balances can be downright dangerous.
> Paul Hughes
I didn't know that.

May I withdraw that comment?