Re: Socialism

Anders Sandberg (
11 Dec 1998 13:47:07 +0100

"Samael" <> writes:

> It is both interesting, useful and gratifying to see other people on this
> list who have thought about systems of government.

I think it is important to do it. After all, transhumanism is about questioning all limits taken for granted, be they human lifespan, potential, intelligence or material scarcity. So why would social structures be exempt from this questioning and attempts to find improvments? The tricky part (in all these areas) is of course actually finding improvements that can be implemented.

> Do you know of any extropian/transhuman like groups that aren't
> predonimatantly libertarian?

There are likely several groups like Aleph, that have no official political views (members definitely have, though :-).

Something that has worried me a bit is that there are socialist transhumanists, but they haven't managed to formulate how their views fit together with transhumanism to the same extent that libertarian transhumanists have done (the libertarians of course claim this is because it is impossible). This makes it hard to discuss the pros and cons clearly, and to a large extent gives an undeserved walk-over to the libertarians. So I repeat my request for somebody to try to write up a concise "left transhumanism".

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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