Re European view: Re What happened here?

Brian D Williams (
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:34:17 -0800 (PST)

From: Bernard Hughes <>

> Since I believe in maximizing freedom of the individual, I
>wouldn't want to force trading between the past and the future on
>others. I'm hopeful than self-replicating systems and the like
>will enable total individualists to go their own way, and various
>forms of collective association association to flourish. For me,
>the negative in Socialism is the coercion of those who don't
>desire to redistribute any of their wealth, not the desire to take
>part in a "gift culture" as well as a money market one.

Good point! Collective association's (like trade unions) can be beneficial, and often absolutely necessary when dealing with an organization that is both capitalist, and feudalist (almost any modern corporation).

In recent negotiations, we started by opening up our thinkpads pulling up the spreadsheets and saying " I thought we'd start by talking about the recent 2 billion dollar stock bye-back, the 6% increase in shareholder dividends, and management compensation for the last three years."

We settled for a modest 4.1% increase per anum and a three year contract. ;)

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