Re: Technology as Dribble Glass

Anders Sandberg (
11 Dec 1997 12:45:44 +0100

Eugene Leitl <> writes:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Steve Witham wrote:
> > [ a very fine post snipped ]
> > Measuring ourselves by dribble-glass standards is not a game I want to be
> > included in, implicitly or not.
> Very well, what should we do? Autodafe the designers? Wipe out criminally
> pointy-haired decision-makers, and the mob which adapts to broken designs
> stampedeing all over the marketplace? Pass me that torch, please.

I think less drastic measures are more effective (if you remove one
idiot, two takes his place); we should both demand better designs and
try to promote good design (as you all know, I'm constantly cheering
HCI as one of the most important >H areas). We need both positive and
negative fitness gradients.

> This seems about forcing 'good' decisions upon resisting imbecility. About
> memetic engineering. Last time I looked it was not a formal discipline
> still.
> Let's put Machiavelli on a scientific platform.

Very true. I have started looking at replicator dynamics; combined
with cognitive science it might be a workable first step towards
memetic simulation and modelling.

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