Re: Kyoto, Driving our car (composite reply)
Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:42:03 -0800 (PST)

I wrote:

> >The statistics are difficult, but if you superimpose temperature data
> >concerning the last 150 years from Vinnikov, Groveman and sources like CRU
> >and GISS the similaritiest are striking to say the least (and so is the
> >upward-trend).
> These wouldn't happen to all be computer models based on the same
> assumptions, by any chance? Interesting that you quoted data for the
> last 150 years; thereby leaving out the very warm period at the beginning
> of the 19th century, where temperatures weren't much lower than today. Is
> this your idea of certainty?

I just found a GISS web page with a temperature graph. Oddly, the
graph starts at 1880, which is close to the coldest point in the 19th
century; go back another sixty years and you'd see little warming at
all. There's another interesting web page at:

Which covers an Australian station used in CRU studies, showing that
the supposed 1C temperature increase there over the last few decades
was due not to global warming, but to trees growing nearby and blocking
out a cold wind. How many more such dubious measurements have been
included in the global warming computer-aided guesses?