Re: Goddard's fantasies???

Abraham Moses Genen (futurist@frontiernet.net)
Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:17:46 -0500


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Abraham Moses Genen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Goddard <igoddard@erols.com>
To: extropians@extropy.org <extropians@extropy.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: NY Times Lies Re: Goddard

>>Abraham Moses Genen (futurist@frontiernet.net)
>>Dear Fellow Extropians:
>>
>>Having read Mr. Goddard's speculations, conjectures ( and possibly
>>paranoid delusions)repeatedly, may I respectfully suggest that he
>>consider reading Aristotle on scientific method followed by=20
>>Blackstone on the rules of evidence.
> =20
Since Mr. Goddard claims to have all this "proof" let him supply us with =
the substantive and corroborated unimpeachable documentation and =
physical evidence. I'm not really interested in so-called "eye =
witnesses" whose imaginations can easily play tricks on them.
Any first year law student knows that "eye witnesses" are rarely =
consistant or reliable. =20

On the other hand, in the absence of such legitimately meaningful =
evidence and continued specious and uncorroborated claims, psychotherapy =
from a competent licensed clinician might be in order. It seems that =
this possible fixation may have gone to far.=20

AMG =20
> IAN: (1) There is proof that the military=20
> lied about their activities on July 17,'96.=20
> (2) There is proof the govt continues to lie
> about such. (3) There is proof that the FBI=20
> has acted to cover up facts. (4) There is=20
> photographic evidence of a military drone-
> type aerial device a few miles and moments=20
> from the crash. (5) There are over 100 wit-
> nesses of a missile-like streak rising from=20
> the ocean to impact TWA 800. (6) There is
> massive penetration deformation to the=20
> exterior fuselage panels exceeding the=20
> psi strength of a CFT explosion.
>
> Proof of deception, physical evidence of=20
> external-projectile penetration, photo-
> graphic evidence of military activity,=20
> over 100 harmonious eyewitness accounts=20
> of projectile penetration... sorry to
> foil your ad hominem, but that's not=20
> a "paranoid delusion."=20
>
> Now you may be more impressed by claims
> of government officials that "We didn't
> do it," than you are with proofs and=20
> overwhelming evidence, but I am not.
>
> The propensity for so many to be duped=20
> by incredulous government claims... for=20
> so many to fail to question the dictates=20
> of authorities and define all that does=20
> as "paranoid" is a sorry sight. Such is=20
> what it takes to loose all freedoms.
>
>
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>VISIT Ian Williams Goddard ----> http://www.erols.com/igoddard
>________________________________________________________________
>
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Abraham Moses=20 Genen
**************************************************************Being=20 dedicated to the future progress of humankind
should be the prime = concern of=20 all civilized beings.=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian = Goddard=20 <igoddard@erols.com>
To: extropians@extropy.org <extropians@extropy.org>
= Date:=20 Wednesday, November 19, 1997 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: NY Times Lies Re:=20 Goddard

>>Abraham Moses Genen (futurist@frontiernet.net)>>Dear=20 Fellow Extropians:
>>
>>Having read Mr. Goddard's=20 speculations, conjectures ( and possibly
>>paranoid=20 delusions)repeatedly, may I respectfully suggest that = he
>>consider=20 reading Aristotle on scientific method followed by =
>>Blackstone on the=20 rules of evidence.
> 
Since Mr. Goddard claims to have all this=20 "proof" let him supply us with the substantive and = corroborated=20 unimpeachable documentation and physical evidence. I'm not really = interested in=20 so-called "eye witnesses" whose imaginations can easily play = tricks on=20 them.
Any first year law student knows that = "eye=20 witnesses" are rarely consistant or reliable.  =
 
On the other hand, in the absence of such legitimately meaningful = evidence=20 and continued specious and uncorroborated claims, psychotherapy from a = competent=20 licensed clinician might be in order. It seems that this possible = fixation may=20 have gone to far. 
 
AMG  
>  IAN: (1) There is proof that the = military=20
>  lied about their activities on July 17,'96. =
>  (2)=20 There is proof the govt continues to lie
>  about such. (3) = There is=20 proof that the FBI
>  has acted to cover up facts. (4) There = is=20
>  photographic evidence of a military drone-
>  = type=20 aerial device a few miles and moments
>  from the crash. (5) = There=20 are over 100 wit-
>  nesses of a missile-like streak rising = from=20
>  the ocean to impact TWA 800. (6) There is
>  = massive=20 penetration deformation to the
>  exterior fuselage panels = exceeding=20 the
>  psi strength of a CFT = explosion.
>
>  Proof=20 of deception, physical evidence of
>  external-projectile=20 penetration, photo-
>  graphic evidence of military activity, =
>  over 100 harmonious eyewitness accounts
>  of = projectile penetration... sorry to
>  foil your ad hominem, = but=20 that's not
>  a "paranoid delusion."=20
>
>  Now you may be more impressed by = claims
>  of=20 government officials that "We didn't
>  do it," = than you=20 are with proofs and
>  overwhelming evidence, but I am=20 not.
>
>  The propensity for so many to be duped =
> =20 by incredulous government claims... for
>  so many to fail = to=20 question the dictates
>  of authorities and define all that = does=20
>  as "paranoid" is a sorry sight. Such is =
> =20 what it takes to loose all=20 freedoms.
>
>
>****************************************= ************************
>VISIT=20 Ian Williams Goddard  ---->  http://www.erols.com/igoddard<= BR>>________________________________________________________________>
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