Re: On uplifting: Reply to Sandberg

Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin (
Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:48:40 -0800

Twink <> writes:

> > Increasing the amount of effort and time to growing a larger brain
> > in, say, octopi, might be a good start.

The adults of the Pacific giant octopus already have
impressively large brains.

> > I also believe intelligence to be best measured by problem solving abilities.
> > Language would be a good way but not the only way to implement this
> > measurement. (There are nonlinguistic tests we can do to test uplifted
> > organisms, such as some which are already done with mice.:)

And octopi. Take an octopus who has never seen a glass jar. Put a
lobster in a glass jar with a screw-on lid -- an ordinary mayonnaise
jar will work if it's a small enough lobster. Toss the jar in with
the octopus. Within about five minutes, the jar is open (not
broken, open) and so is the lobster.
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