Re: The Upload Economy

Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT)

Anders Sandberg wrote:

> > Answer: First you need a product, and that product is you. After
> > your wetware converted into a new infinitely variable cut-and-paste
> > consciousness you're ready to start production. You're not in control
> > your production, but everyone else is. Instead you manage the marketing
> > side, you've got to sell the product. Why would anyone want to buy you?
> I assume you haven't yet read Robin Hanson's essay (If Uploads Come First,
> about upload

> economy? He seems to reach the same conclusion as you.

And here's me thinking I'm original.

> However, there are a lot of other things that can be traded: virtual
> environments of differing complexity and uniqueness, access to the
> world, knowledge and experiences.

None of which are directly beneficial to you (unless someone agreed to copy
you in return, although knowledge and experience may be a mild form of

> > They don't, they reproduce you. Maybe you've got a great sense of
humour, a
> > brilliant understanding of quantum theory or you're just easy. Whatever
> > reason, I like you and I want a copy. So I either copy the parts of you
> > like into a new individual, or I cut and paste them into myself. Well
> > you've just reproduced.
> This is where you diverge from Hanson; he assumes uploads are essentially
> indivisible since they are complex, interconnected structures with no
> clear modularity - my sense of humour exists as an emergent property
> of my whole neural net, which makes it hard to copy. I would say this is
> the likely state in the beginning, but as soon as we begin to learn how
> to reverse-engineer our minds, then things can get interesting.

I agree, the first thing I'm aiming for is scalability and modularity.
Otherwise the AIs will have me for dinner.

> > The more you reproduce, the safer you are. Reproduction has always been
> > main priority in the biological world and the same can be said of the
> > world. But rather than passing your genes along, you're passing along
> > memes. And the more your mind sprawls into every corner of the
> > the safer you are and the more computation you're getting done. But if
> > possible to copy consciousness, why not just copy yourself? Everyone
> > they'll keep copying themselves repeatedly and you'll have not distinct
> > advantage over anyone else. But what if you marketed yourself so well,
> > also copied you? Now you have an advantage.
> Now you know why I want to become an open standard for information
> gathering and organisation... :-)

Better start submitting yourself to the ISO.


P.S. If a qubit can store more than one value by using parallel universes,
where do the parallel universes store their numbers?? :-)