Re: some U.S. observations and notes

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Fri Dec 21 2001 - 10:24:23 MST

Samantha Atkins wrote:
> "J. R. Molloy" wrote:
> >
> > From: "Kai Becker" <>
> > > Now, who exactly is "they"? Don't we first have to find out, before we can
> > > actually speak about "members of their group"?
> >
> > Unless you've been in a coma for the last three months, I should think it
> > would be obvious that "they" are the terrorist groups (bin Laden, et al.) who
> > contrived the September 11, 2001 attack.
> >
> Please read context. Michael started referring to everyone
> detained as if they were actual members of terrorist groups.

No, I did not. Once again, you are making inaccurate assumptions.

It is impossible to determine who is and is not a member of such
secretive groups without detaining and questioning those who fit the
profile of members of such groups.

> > > What about this Oklahoma lunatic, for example. Who was "they" in that case?
> > > Every white person? Every white christian person? Every person of his home
> > > town or state?
> >
> > Yes, of course... and the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor were just
> > "lunatics" like Timothy McVeigh, right? ...and just because some "lunatic"
> > Germans bombed Europe and murdered millions of Jews, that was no excuse for
> > the Allies to try to take out Hitler and his minions, right?
> >
> Are you studiously missing the point?

No, you seem to be. Given that over most of the past decade, white males
HAVE been 'the enemy' as far as those in power were concerned, then it's
not an inaccurate point.

The crime about the Japanese detention during WWII was not so much that
they were detained, but that their private property was seized, stolen,
and auctioned off by the state without compensation. There was the issue
of detaining natural born citizens who were children of Japanese
immigrants. Under the Geneva Conventions, detention of foreign nationals
is entirely legal, provided they are treated humanely and their property
is respected.

What bugs me is that those who harp on things like our detention of the
Japanese have absolutely nothing to day about how the Japanese treated
OUR citizens (and those of Britain, Australia, etc) who were
non-combatants within Japanese control. They property was confiscated,
stolen, or destroyed, and they more often than not died in detention
from torture or maltreatment, yet you never see any of these whining
liberals ever protesting outside the Japanese Embassy anywhere demanding
reparations for families and survivors of their mistreatment of western
civilians during the war. The Japanase government has never apologized
for this treatment, generally denies that it took place in their history
books, and has never paid a dime to the survivors or their families, and
our government prevents our citizens from suing the Japanese over this.

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