RE: Sincere Questions on Identity

From: Harvey Newstrom (
Date: Sun Dec 16 2001 - 11:09:12 MST

John Clark wrote,
> Harvey Newstrom <> Wrote:
> > If you allowed them to use a GPS, they could easily determine their
> > positions.
> Well sure, but then they'd no longer be identical because they'd have
> different memories of what they read on their GPS machine. You can
> certainly do things to make them diverge, but my point was that doesn't
> have to happen.

I think we are agreed on all these points. While they are connected, they
are one person, when they are disconnected they are two people.

My only nitpick is that this doesn't seem to help us create identical
duplicates. In my mind, they are still connected with information being
copied from the source to the destination. In other words, you are still
allowing the copy operating to keep running. You will never be done copying
because the original copy keeps changing. The moment that you terminate the
copy operation by cutting the connection, you have two diverging

> > If you stopped feeding them optic signals from the other,
> they would see
> > reality instead of VR.
> I'm not using VR, it's just that the room looks symmetrical, one
> is looking
> north the other looking south but the view is the same.

What do you call it when you record all sensory input from the source and
impose them onto the copy such that it cannot perceive anything but what you
are broadcasting to it? That is VR. You are using this to keep them in
synch. I claim that one is perceiving direct input from reality while the
other is being fed your controlled images. Although I agree that the two
are identical in most ways, I would prefer to be the former rather than the

Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <>
Principal Security Consultant, Newstaff Inc. <>
Board of Directors, Extropy Institute <>
Cofounder, Pro-Act <>

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