Re: some U.S. observations and notes

From: Spike Jones (
Date: Sun Dec 16 2001 - 11:02:10 MST

> Spike Jones wrote:
> >
> > OK very well. I claim to be so righteous and so right thinking as
> > to do exactly this, under these very limited circumstances: if any
> > person wishes to physically injury me or seriously kill me, I fearlessly
> > claim that that meme is wrong... spike
> >
> Samantha Atkins wrote:
> Then you seem to be advocating a position of violent bully who
> does not care to understand

I think of the position as one who is violent as hell against bullies.
In the long run the rest of the kids on the playground are safer.
God help the bullies, for I will stop them if I can.

> as long as powerful enough to destroy what is seen as a threat.

Anyone who slays innocents *is* a threat, for *I* am innocent.

Yes I claim the right to self defense. Furthermore I claim the right
to defend those who have done nothing wrong, even if the individuals
do not themselves claim the right to self defense. Amara, Anders,
Samantha, Jeff Davis, Damien, all the other outspoken pacifists, they
have not installed US troops in Saudi, they have not mistreated a single
Palestinian, they have not sent christian missionaries to the middle east.
I claim the right to defend them, even if they do not claim the right to
self defense.

> Wonderful. There are those
> on the other side who take the same attitude. So how much do we
> learn by duking it out? - s.

We learn the value of advanced defense technology, if nothing else. spike

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