Re: some U.S. observations and notes

From: Samantha Atkins (
Date: Sat Dec 15 2001 - 16:58:37 MST

Spike Jones wrote:
> Kai Becker wrote:
> > There is, BTW a dispute about the word "fight" of the quoted Koran verse.
> > The Al-Azhar university of Cairo, which is for the Islam what the Vatican
> > is for Christianity, translates it as something like "a (verbal, mental,
> > non-bloody) struggle for the right way", meaning discussion, dispute and
> > showing by being a better example. I think, sixhundred years old Arabic
> > texts are as difficult to understand as the Qumran parchments. Kai
> Cool, this is exactly what I have in mind. Meme warfare in which
> we have some means of implanting the notion in OBL and all his
> followers that the sacred text exhorts them to fight the west by verbal,
> mental, non-verbal struggle. Impress them that they fight us by being
> a better example. This is exactly the kind of meme warfare I have in
> mind. Now how do we implant that meme? spike

Better yet. How can we implant the meme that the coolest thing
imaginable is finding common understandings that allow us all to
live in peace and prosper without limitation without needing to
wage any form of "warfare" whatsoever? The imagery of "warfare"
and "fight" is already at odds with this goal. Interesting.


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