Re: Personality types (was: uncontrollable suffering)

From: Anders Sandberg (
Date: Thu Nov 15 2001 - 16:08:56 MST

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 04:03:33PM -0500, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
> Anders Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 07:20:35PM -0500, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
> > > Amara Graps wrote:
> > > >
> > > > These are just a few words to capture the essence. Yes, it's
> > > > more Enneagram stuff. I find it very useful to help me to
> > > > figure out people's motivations, since I'm normally hopeless about
> > > > that. It's just a system, though (and I'm a five, so I _like_
> > > > systems...).
> > >
> > > Actually, Amara, it's because you're Nature: Judge, Demeanor: Visionary.
> >
> > I wonder how these RPG references look to outsiders?
> Probably around the same way that Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram look to
> me: Darned silly. Which is the point I was trying to make with all
> this. Any system of phrenology works about equally well, whether it's
> Myers-Briggs, the Enneagram, the AD&D alignment wheel, or White Wolf's
> Nature/Demeanor system.

A good personality descriptor system is complete: all relevant aspects
of personality can be described just like any vector in a linear space
can be expressed by a set of basis vectors (this of course ignores all
those oh so delightful quirks that really make personality something
personal, and not just a mixture of archetypes). It seems that most of
the popular systems are indeed complete enough in their domains to work
this way, only rarely does somebody clearly not fit in.

> So I think it would be fun to relentlessly mock the Myers-Briggs and
> Enneagram systems by posting followup messages that use the alignment
> wheel or Nature/Demeanor instead. I am willing to show that I can conduct
> a conversation that makes just as much apparent sense as Myers-Briggs
> using the alignment wheel. More sense than Myers-Briggs, in fact. You'd
> have a much harder time arguing that I'm chaotic evil than that I'm ENFP
> or whatever.

Which raises the question what the predominance of XNTX types on this
list would be in the Nature/Demeanor system. I'm not certain it can be
mapped neatly onto the archetypes.

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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