Odp: ECI, ICI (excitatory culture impulse)

From: Curious (curious@hyperreal.pl)
Date: Tue Nov 13 2001 - 09:36:00 MST

it seems you suffer, or like suffering...

art is only healthy way to 'neutralise' frustration born because
of suffering.

> Did you dance? :-)
> Greeks dance when they are grieving to get their suffering out.
> >however,what similar elements exist in america, or the non-america?
> I'm most sensitive to music because of my family background, maybe
> I can make some observations of the "suffering elements"
> America: Blues music
> suffering index: pretty low
> Slavs (Russians, Poles, I know mostly): Literature like Doestoevsky,
> Krzysztof Kieslowski (Polish filmaker who I think is the best filmaker
> who ever lived) explores deep troubling "human condition" situations,
> Zbigniew Preisner (composer) music are like haunting arias
> suffering index: pretty high
> French
> suffering index pretty low. I've not heard really sad French music
> yet to be honest. There is a French crooner named Dany Brillant who
> sings all about his broken heart, but he sounds incredibly happy. The
> Franco-ized versions of Greek rebetikas by the partially French group
> Bratsch (bratsch.com) are much more "upbeat" than the other old
> Greek rebetikas that I have.
> German
> suffering index pretty low. Even with Carmina Burana in their history,
> I've not found 'suffering elements' yet.
> Italian
> This culture is probably as expressive (or more?) as the Greeks
> (I think that if you tied an Italian's hands behind their back, they
> would not be able to talk), but I don't know yet where are the suffering
> icons, if they exist. The Italian crooner Paolo Conte sounds rough and
> gritty, like he's singing in a smoke-filled bar, but he doesn't sound
> like he is drowning in his sorrows. suffering index still undetermined.
> Others?
> Amara
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