Re: Cyborg Dreams on Background Briefing

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (
Date: Sun Nov 04 2001 - 12:15:36 MST

Spike Jones wrote:
> > From: "Spike Jones" <>
> > > I propose a secret extropian password. Unfortunately, I will not
> > > actually *reveal* to any of you the secret extropian password,
> > > all the better to keep the secret. spike
> > Mark Walker wrote:
> > >In the interest of security I think we may need to think about eliminating
> > you in case you are captured by the enemy. I hope you understand....;)
> No need to do that Mark. I dont actually *know* the secret password.
> I merely proposed the *existence* of one. That way, if I am captured
> and tortured, there is no danger of my revealing the secret password.
> All part of my clever plan, you understand. Security by ignorance. spike

Well, a secret password is one thing, but it has to be a secret
*deterministic* password, preferably with a publicly knowable algorithm
for testing a claim to possess the secret password. Otherwise I'm not
sure in what sense it could be said to be a "password". I also don't
think that the "password" should be a piece of unobtainable knowledge
(i.e., the googleplex-and-200th through googleplex-and-209th decimal
digits in pi; these ten digits, by an amazing coincidence, happen to be my
phone number), or a physical object of any kind, such as the planet
Neptune. We don't want people to think we're weird, do we?

However, just for fun, I'll offer a bounty of $10, payable via Paypal, to
the first person who can give me the secret Extropian password created by

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Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence

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