Re: "...Death is an evil" (Sappho 630 BC)

From: Anders Sandberg (
Date: Sat Oct 06 2001 - 05:12:20 MDT

On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:49:09PM -0700, Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
> > >What we need is a separate, and well-defended nation founded on
> > >rational principles and governed in an anarcho-capitalist manner so we
> > >can all move there and carry on our work, giving the rest of humanity
> > >some time and space to catch up.
> >
> > Finally, someone who is prepared to say it aloud! We need an
> > "experimental" country based on the Extropian Principles/Transhumanist
> > ideals that can be "tweaked" and modified. This would certainly get
> > big-time press for these concepts. A working system based on these ideas
> > would show the robustness of the philosophy, plus get a good share of
> > immigration as it would likely be far less restrictive of its citizenry.
> Not only has the idea been said before, but Max gave it a wonderful name:
> "Prometheus Shrugged".

A good name, but as I said the last time it came up, I think the whole
idea is a red herring. The amount of resources needed to achieve this
could be used far more efficiently in making the ideals accepted in our
culture and implement them. There is much to be said for acting inside
society than outside it, trying to make a new one work.
> > I'd been toying with the idea of writing a constitution for such a nation,
> > but I'm just not up to the job. Any takers? :))
> > Of course, where would we put it?
> The Atlantis project's ( is a fair start. I've
> learned a lot since then; for one thing, that such manifestos aren't
> nearly as productive as live discourse about current events and
> concrete examples.

Also, it shows that such projects easily remains on the drawing board
forever while people spend time making cool graphics of them or trying
to make money on the idea rather than on implementing it.

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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