Re: Democracy held hostage

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 22:32:52 MDT

>From: Brian D Williams <>

> >From: "J. R. Molloy" <>
> >>From: "Brian D Williams" <>
> >>As anyone who has taken philosophy 101 knows there is no such
> >>thing as objective, man is the measure.
> >So then this is a subjective statement and only has relevance in
> >relation to how one measures it; and outside the realm of
> >philosophy, science has high regard for objectivity which is
> >accessible via mechanical measurement independent of human
> >intervention.
>Since Heisenberg we have known that the very attempt to measure
>affects the outcome, and since a subject chooses what to measure in
>the first place, even these simple efforts of science are not
>without their subjectivity.

Yeah, sure. It also goes without saying that such "observer effects" have
no practical influence unless the observation is of some phenomena taking
place at quantum levels. So, outside the realm of particle physics, science
is a pretty darn objective proposition.


"I'm a seeker too. But my dreams aren't like yours. I can't help thinking
that somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man.
Has to be." -- George Taylor _Planet of the Apes_ (1968)

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