Re: Democracy held hostage

From: Brian D Williams (
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 08:00:27 MDT

From: Samantha Atkins <>

>But by our standards, when the CIA with little or no oversight
>and using secret funds goes to various countries and topples
>their elected governments using a variety of means including
>those which cannot be termed other than terrorism, torture,
>assasination, sabotage and so on - is this somehow not criminal
>but a reasonable function of the government?

Absolutely not.

>It seems to me there is a bit of a double standard here. As bad
>as WTC was we have been involved in covert operations in
>countries we were not at war with, even in countries we were
>supposedly friends with that are every bit as horrendous. Some
>of our secret operations resulted in much higher loss of life
>and property.

I don't see anyone defending either the CIA or Bill Clinton here.

We were involved with the deliberate murder of thousands of
innocent civilians? Facts please....

> Does it enter into anyone's head along with chest-beating
>righteous anger that some of the anger and venom directed toward
>us is not without cause? Do we understand that our rhetoric is
>roundly condemning as utterly beyond the pall actions that
>portions of our own government have committed, are committing and
>plan now to commit even more egregiously? Some of what is
>proposed as curative would include a variety of even more
>ambitious covert activities around the world and even within our
>own borders by some of these same players and any undesirables
>they may see fit to influence, use or recruit. Have we learned a
>damn thing from the history of using such methods? Does anything
>seem a bit cockeyed about this sort of "solution"?

The fact that people don't like us is hardly just cause.

The world is full of people with 2 bit excuses to "hate" America,
I quite frankly am more than a little tired of it. Go ahead and
hate us if you have nothing better to do, but we are going to make
it very clear that attacking us carries the ultimate price.


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