Re: is marriage extropic?

From: Damien Broderick (
Date: Fri Nov 10 2000 - 20:14:15 MST

>In a message dated 11/10/00 2:56:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>> It seems to me the most extropic people have either avoided marriage,
>> tolerated it as a necessary evil, or abandoned it.
>> I'm thinking of Socrates, Turing, Galileo, Oscar Wilde, Siddhartha, and
>> others.

Socrates certainly did not avoid marriage, although perhaps he tolerated it
(a rather mean-spirited way of putting it):

from Xenophon's Symposium:

Then Socrates: ...I see, the dancing-girl is standing ready; they are
handing her some hoops. ..

Then Socrates: The girl's performance is one proof among a host of others,
sirs, that woman's nature
is nowise inferior to man's. All she lacks is strength and judgment; and
that should be an
encouragement to those of you who have wives, to teach them whatever you
would want them to

Antisthenes rejoined: If that is your conclusion, Socrates, why do you not
tutor your own wife,
Xanthippe, one of the most difficult women of times past, present, or future?


Xanthippe has long been regarded as a shrew. This can be questioned.

As for Galileo - in 1600, his lover Marina Gamba gave birth to a
daughter,Virginia, later taking the name Maria Celeste. The next year
Marina has another girl, Livia, later Arcangela. Later he has a son,
Vincenzio. In 1629, Galileo becomes a grandfather, when his daughter-in-law
Sestilia Bocchineri, has a boy given the name Galileo. Married or not, he
seems friom this history to be, in his way, a family oriented kinda fellow.

Damien Broderick

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