Re: agricultural app of fractal robots, was FDA recalls Starlink

From: Doug Jones (
Date: Sun Nov 05 2000 - 01:53:44 MST

Barbara Lamar wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:46:14 -0800 Doug Jones <> writes:
> > Oh, gawd, Joe Michael is still at it. Understand, he's never built
> > a
> > thing- he has a rather meaningless patent,
> > If you look at his site in detail, you'll see the telltale word
> > salad,
> > inflation of his self-importance, and paranoia,
> > He's a loon.
> Yeah, I agree he's a crazy guy, but that doesn't mean all his ideas are
> worthless, does it?

Heh. Yeah, some of his ideas are okay, but old hat- of *course*, if you
have fractal robots (the basic idea dating back to Hans Moravec's
"christmas bush" concept) you can do very fine grain mechanical labor.
As I see it, JM has overall negative value, by adding no useful new
creative concepts with a huge ration of bogosity.

> I started to include some other more "mainstream" shape changing,
> modular, etc. robot sites just to show that the idea is being worked on
> by people who are not "loons" but I figured everyone knew that already.

For completeness,

A basic overview article with lots of links

J. Storrs Hall's Utility Fog:

Christmas Bush:

> JM's ideas for agriculture make a great deal more sense to me than eating
> poisoned food.

...but they aren't original with him. Twenty years ago Robert Forward
described a fractal robot working in the garden aboard a starship- the
idea ain't new, or even startling. Think of a fractal or fog robot as
being the ultimate in coolie labor. Hand groomed food certainly would
be of high quality, I agree.

Doug Jones
Rocket Plumber, XCOR Aerospace

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