Re: Cryo-suspension for death row.

From: Brian D Williams (
Date: Tue Oct 10 2000 - 08:14:06 MDT

From: Samantha Atkins <>

>Y'all seem to be playing pretty fast and loose with "axiom" here
>or at least what I understand an "axiom" to be. Any arbitrary
>belief is not necessarily an "axiom" just because it is arbitrary.
>In particular the notion of no life after death follows from
>particulars ideas of what constitutes life, death and so on.
>Such derivative notions are not "axioms". Axioms are primary
>assumptions not derivable from anything else in a system of logic
>or philosophy.

 From Websters Universal college dictionary:

Axiom: 1) a self evident truth that requires no proof 2) a
universally accepted principle or rule 3) a proposition in logic or
mathematics that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying
the consequences that follow from it.

I believe the belief that there is no life after death qualifies as
an Axiom as defined above.

>>It follows axiomatically that I believe the killer suffer an
>>equal fate.

>Again, something that follows expressly does not follow
>"axiomatically". It may be implied by (or follow from) an axiom
>by applying some rules for extracting logical consequences of said

Again from Websters:

Axiomatic: 1)pertaining to the nature of an axiom; self evident. 2)

Again I think this qualifies.
>Ockham's Razor is a general reasoning strategy. Again, it is not
>an axiom. Incomprehensible conclusions do not axioms make. One
>does not need to make things up or claim they are axioms to end
>argument and rational debate about one's conclusions. That is an
>abuse of the concept "axiom".

I don't agree as defined above.

>Please define "justice". And don't tell me it is an "axiom".

Justice: 1) the quality of being just; righteousness,
equiltableness, or moral rightness.

Shall I go on.


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