Re: Capitalists and concentration camps

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Mon Oct 02 2000 - 10:10:54 MDT wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/2000 11:16:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
> << You still are making claims about the 3rd Reich which you have failed to
> provide
> any documentation, while I have cited actual eyewitness statements that
> refute
> your claims. Either come up with something to refute the statements of
> Speer, et
> al or cease and desist your revisionism. >>
> Speer is about as trust-worthy a source as Hermann Goering. They both were up
> to their chins with blood and theft.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

> I would recommend Hitler's Willing
> Executioners by Goldhagen(1996). Another work of interest is Explaining
> Hitler by Ron Rosenbaum (1999) and I would recommend Nazi Terror: The
> Gestapo, Jews, and ordinary German Citizens. Are you really going to
> hair-split when we know that the largest German Electric Company AEG, had
> documentation discussing supplying power to the Dachau Death Camp?

Sorry, Speer's account has held up quite well to all cross examination.
Apparently you have not read it. Knowing of camp's existence and knowing what
went on inside them are two completely different things, which you apparently do
not seem to be able to distinguish. Speer did not find out about the goings on
until late in the war, and did not know how broad the 'final solution' was
carried out until after the war. He has acknowledged that when he found out about
the production line exections, etc. that his first reaction to his fellow war
prisoners was 'what a waste', because his attitude then was that he needed those
people to work.

No historian has been able to find documentation at all outside of the SS that
disclosed any policy of systematic killing, except for that at the top which
involved Hitler.

> AEG pre-existed before the 3rd Reich ever existed, and probably pre-dated the
> Weimar Republic. The German insurance company, Allianz (alliance) was afraid
> it would have to pay indemnities to its Jewish clients after Chrystal Nacht,
> till Hermann Goering reassured Allianz, it would never have to do so. (The
> Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich) By the way, Allianz just payed off some
> indemnities to their former clients just in 1999, LOL!

Its Kristallnacht, BTW. What does it matter that Allianz predates the Weimar
Rep.? That says nothing toward your claims that Nazis were capitalists, which you
have yet to show any documentation supporting.

> You know I haven't mentioned what the Belgian Minning companies did to the
> Central Africans in the llate 19th century. These guys were capitalists also.

Sorry, they did what they did under a national charter, with plenipotentiary
police powers, and the central africans were hardly any sort of saints of
democracy or civilization.
> Its a more complicated issue then you seem to acknowledge. Perhaps you or

> Milt Friedman may make a decent case for harnessing capitalism to promote
> ethical behavior as a decent side-effect? But the blood doesn't wash out as
> Shakesphere said much more elloquently; a lot of evil has been done in the
> past. Slavery was capitalistic, albeit a hideously evil, form of it. I stand
> by my assetions, which might be clarified as "making money is very nice,
> doing evil (we need to define this!) to accomplish it crosses the line"

You come up with a few small minor cases, when the facts are that the Nazis and
the Soviets, both being socialists, committed hundreds and thousands of times
more crimes against humanity than any capitalist ever did.

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