Re: Waco: Govt Set Fire
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:39:37 -0700

I have ordered the McNulty Waco video through interlibrary loan, so I should be able to see it in a few days.

I happened to be at home and watching TV the morning that the Waco siege was ended. I saw, live, the tanks moving around the compound, punching holes in the walls. Then the first flames appeared, quickly spreading until the entire compound was engulfed. It was riveting and horrifying. It is very different to see the events live, happening in real time, some slowly and some quickly, than to see edited highlights on the news afterwards. It is far more real.

Much of the recent Waco story has been broken by the Dallas Morning News. They have done a terrific job in staying on this story and bringing it to public attention. Surely many journalism awards lie ahead for their coverage. provides an overview of their stories, with breaking news almost every day.

Today they report that shell casings recovered from a remote house used by the FBI's hostage rescue team may shed light on the question of whether shots were fired. In answer to the recent comment here, the "no shots fired" claim refers to FBI agents. The initial raid was handled by BATF, who engaged in a firefight with the Davidians, leaving many casualties on both sides. Once the FBI took over they claim that they never fired any shots. It should be possible to determine whether those shell casings are from the type of guns used by the FBI vs the BATF, in order to partially test the truth of the FBI claim.

I had not learned previously that the FBI agent in charge of this sniper post was the infamous Lon Horiuchi, the FBI sniper who killed unarmed Vicki Weaver in the Ruby Ridge standoff a few months before. We already knew that Richard Rogers, who had been in charge at Ruby Ridge, was also the agent in charge at Waco. But the Horiuci presence comes as an additional discouraging surprise.

Jerry Pournelle wrote a good article on this subject a few days ago at