Re: Waco: Govt Set Fire

Ian Goddard (
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:11:10 -0400

At 09:01 AM 9/11/99 -0700, Spike Jones wrote:
>Ian I wonder how long before one of the ATF agents
>breaks ranks and publishes a tell-all? Perhaps
>I should start a meme on idea futures. Welcome
>back, Ian, long time since we heard from ya. spike

IAN: Thanks Spike! Last night watching a Dateline segment on Waco I made what may be an important observation. Regular nonFLIR video taken above the Mt Carmel Center showed reflections of sunlight off the large pool in the back, as one might expect. So I watched the FLIR, which rotates around the Center dozens of times, and there are *never* any sunlight reflections in the water from any angle. This is an ideal reflection-test that basically proves that the FLIR did not pick up sunlight reflections that a regular camera did. This makes sense if you think about it. The beam of sunlight coming off a body sitting in the sun is not itself going to be a lot (or any) hotter than the body itself, and the FLIR only sees hot/cool.

I believe that that observation does fatal damage to the sunlight-reflection theory regarding the obvious gun-muzzle flashes.

Another breakthrough for independent
researchers that's been eclipsed by the latest on Waco is that recently acquired radar data from the NTSB shows that there were 30 ships (!) below Flight 800, most of them are in or are heading toward the active naval-warning zone. The official story is that the only Navy ship in the area was 180 miles away, but these Navylike ships are within 30 miles. Details: See 'um move: