Re: Waco: Govt Set Fire

Michael S. Lorrey (
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:59:32 -0400

Ian Goddard wrote:
> At 04:03 PM 9/9/99 -0700, wrote:
> >
> >In the case of Waco, the same thing happens. There is a web site
> >devoted largely to debunking and opposing the film, Waco, the Rules
> >of Engagement.
> IAN: The site owner, Carol Valentine, has also
> "debunked" the Nazi holocaust... ahem. Claims
> of disagreement do not inherently indicate
> that evidence is suspect. The only basis for
> disagreement in The Washington Post article
> is the claim that the flashes are reflections
> of sunlight. The main problem with that claim
> is that the flashes often occur at cyclic rates
> identical to machine-gun fire. The odds that
> pieces of glass will often emit reflections
> in rapid pulses is flatly implausible.

Ian, this is very useful. If you can figure out the cyclic rates of the guns I can find out what models of guns they are, and so determine hopefully what units were firing (unless of course everyone was using M-16's, not likely as SWAT/Special Forces types usually adopt H&K, Uzi, or FN firearms depending on the personal preferences of the unit commander.)

Also look out for tell-tale three round bursts, and the cyclic rates of these bursts, as this is a very effective fingerprint for gun ID.

Mike Lorrey