CRYO: Nature's little cryonauts

Jeff Fabijanic (
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:35 -0400

An interesting post. However...

Eugene Leitl wrote:
>Sorry, commonly the word frozen is used to denote a liquid system
>totally undergone phase transition.

Sorry, but *commonly* the word 'frozen" is used to denote a liquid system which has either *partially* or totally undergone phase transition. Such as "frozen ice cream treat" or "frozen Dendroides canadensis". Even *more* commonly, it is used to denote a system that has ceased it's regular movement - such as "frozen gears" or a "freeze play video".

Maybe you wish to have a highly technical discussion about cryobiology - that would be most welcome. But please take pains to define all your terms precisely beforehand and take care not to patronize those of us who are sharing legitimate and truthful experiences. So far, you haven't said much in this thread other than to attempt to discredit the first-hand observations of fellow list members.

Personally, I don't give a chilly rat's ass if a fish frozen to -10F is not "technically" frozen. What I care about is that it seems that an animal in this state has none of the typical traits we associate with living creatures, yet can survive the ordeal and thrive upon thawing. Instead of chastising us for our venacular use of language, why don't you educate us as to what is happening in the body of that fish and those flies, and what it suggests for the future of human cryonics. After all, most people here don't care if it's an ice sitzbath, a dip in liquid N, a shot in the arm, or a combination of those and other technologies that allow us to extend our 'natural' life spans - perhaps to a world with technologies capable of vastly lengthening that span, perhaps to new worlds all together.

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