Re: Mars: "Rogue" memes and the laughter curtain

Lee Daniel Crocker (
Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:07:46 -0700 (PDT)

> (Lee Crocker, apparently recognized as one of the most rational
> posters, accused me of _making up_ SPSR...

I have no problem with people accusing me of being a pompous ass (I often am), but this is simply 100% false. I made no such accusation. Indeed, not one word of anything I have written accused Mr. Tonnies of anything but gullibility. If Mr. Tonnies has taken my commentaries about crackpots personally, then perhaps I have not been clear enough in my language. I explained my purposes for doing so, and already pointed out that he was not personally the object of my ridicule. I ridicule ideas, not people. If I wanted to accuse someone of something, everyone on this list knows me well enough to know that I wouldn't be vague about it--I'd say it plainly.

For the record, I think Mr. Tonnies is merely advocating research on a subject he sincerely believes has merit. I never said anything more or less than that about him. I not only disagree that the subject has merit, I think many /other/ people with less sincerity and more dubious motives created the whole mess, and I pointed to some signs of their deception. I do /not/ think Mr. Tonnies is one of these people; I merely think he gives them more credibility than is justified by the facts.

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