Re: Consciousness/Uploading

Randall R Randall (
Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:35:24 -0400

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Daniel Fabulich <> writes:
>On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Randall R Randall wrote:
>> This seems to me to be a very common
>> mistake. :) The music *isn't* the "same";
>> it is only very similar. That is, they are
>> not really one piece of music, but two,
>> that happen to differ only in location.
>> They do differ, though.
>Oh? How? location, and in that
they are two distinct entities.

>> I will agree with this. There is no way to tell
>> the difference, if you are not aware that there
>> are really two different CDs. Of course, if the
>> CDs themselves are expected to be aware,
>> then the first CD will never know it is "offline",
>> any more than other dead people know that
>> they are dead.
>I feel like you're making the implicit presumption that if there are two
>of something, then they must be different; that two things cannot be the
>same. This seems weird to me.

And the reverse, that two separate things can really be the same thing (not just two instances of a class, but identical), seems extremely odd, to me. :-(
Here's another slant on the same area:
If you loan me a CD, and I take it to my house and copy it, do you now own two
CDs? I would say not, but perhaps you
(and anyone who supports intellectual
property) would say yes? I am confused
as to how your position on IP can agree
with mine (as I have seen that it does)
and yet the most basic concept involved
causes a disagreement... Hm.


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