Re: The End of Privacy ?
Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

Scott Badger [] wrote:
>Trying to avoid the targets of crazies with mass destruction capabilities
>makes no sense to me. Where exactly would you predict crazies are going to
>strike? They're CRAZY! You'd end up turning into an agoraphobic.

Hardly... there are very few crazies, and they're generally going to strike at a few big targets. For example, in the movies and books it's usually New York or Tokyo that people decide to blow up: the lesson being that living in either will be bad for your health if there are crazies around with nukes. Similarly freedom fighters and terrorists are likely to attack DC or some other big Federal government center; the Federal building in Oklahoma city had been destroyed several times in fiction before it was in fact. The odds that some crazy will decide to drop a nuke or bioweapon on the village where I live is almost zero.

> Leave the
> Earth? Temporary solution at best for a long-lived organism.

Excuse me? You really expect me to spend most of a thousand year plus lifespan on a tiny little speck of dirt out here on the edge of this

galaxy? 99.99999999999999999% of the universe is off-Earth, and any long
lived organism will naturally choose to leave sooner or later. The threat of crazies will only increase that desire a little.

> Perhaps I'm misreading,
> but it sounds like you're saying, "Just don't be one of the unfortunate
> ones. You can't stop crazies so don't even try. Save your own butt."

You can't, without putting electrodes in everyone's brains, and if you try that *I'll* do everything I can to destroy you first. You might be able to delay them a little, but any serious attempt to prevent crazies will require oppressive measures that will ensure that freedom fighters do nuke you.

> I don't conceive of
> Transhumanism as being about ME transcending MY limits, but about US
> transcending OUR limits.

I don't get an indefinite lifespan by sacrificing myself for the Extropian collective; I get an indefinite lifespan by living a long time. Now, sure, I'd much rather that we did it together than seperately. But I'm not doing this for your benefit, I'm doing it for mine.

> Your solution hardly reflects any humane concern
> for the safety or welfare of innocent others, perhaps less enlightened or
> informed.

*Shrug* all the information is out there, if people are so ostrich-like that they prefer not to keep themselves informed about major threats then that's their problem.

> If we had some ideas about how to minimize the danger, wouldn't
> we be ethically obliged to do something about it instead of just stock up
> on groceries and such?

Like what? I've had discussions about the likely effects of year-2000 bugs on several mailing lists and been treated like an evil raving survivalist. They don't want to hear, and certainly don't want to believe that anything could screw up their nice tidy little lives. Tough luck to them if it does come out bad; I can't help those who don't want my help.

BTW, one of the things I forgot to include in the list of what I know about year 2000 bugs as a programmer:

Just one example: someone checked with a railway in the US because they assumed the railway could obviously go back to manual switching if the computer systems go down. But, oops! They took out all the manual switches in their lines when the computers were installed. So if the computers go down the trains can't go anywhere unless they lay new track to replace the switches the computers control.