Neuro Semantic Political Illusion Complex (NSPIC)
by Jim Legg
Frederick Mann's NSPIC debate started on September 22, 1997 and promised
to be the ultimate wait-and-see-pudding. However, as the extropy list
short circuited basic discussion, I now cancel my subscription. I can be
still contacted by email to review my following involvement.
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Unlike hierarchical rule based classic expert systems as criticized by
Dreyfus and Winograd
and Flores, my alternative amathematical contribution to consensus stems
from the use of
AI developed as The Ingrid Thought Processor. Ingrid descends indirectly
from George
Kelly's inquiry into human nature called Personal Construct Theory.
During decades of time
spent re-developing Ingrid, I discovered that patterns elevate into
dominance sometimes
discontinuously overturning established order. Nowadays my pet project
for developing a
continuously unfolding awareness has stalled awaiting the Internet's
massive computing
resources to handle the parallel and scalable patterns. However, Ingrid
is not a reductio ad
absurdum as my hubris claims it is and it is now surfacing on the
Internet as a result of the
rubbishing and destruction of AI's other critical tools.
Last December (as background to the NSPIC debate,) I created a
juxtaposition and
geometrical psychological spoof called Counter Capitalism R.I.P. adapted
and edited from
Bob Penny's critique of mind control. This is a project of mine that
started out comparing
web counters to capitalism. It has since developed into a computational
inquiry of a social
theory. In a website I examine and narrate elements of NSPIC and
conclude there is an
impossible transference between hierarchical plans vs chaotic
permeability. I was so
intrigued by Frederick Mann's request that today I quickly processed his
seven purposes for
debating NSPIC using The Ingrid Thought Processor and I thought the
results good enough
to make the freeware available here.
Ingrid in its present form, as used in semantics (encompassing both the
rational and
irrational,) already gained for me a benefit in transcending this
political illusion, namely that
of metaphorically "having our cake and eating it too."
Below is the raw data and explanations of the abbreviations I used (note
that I inadvertently
entered Purpose 5 & 6 in reverse order.) This is followed by a textual
analysis of a Decision
Grid named "NSPIC Hierarchy Chaos Debate" completed by me on 09-18-1997.
The grid
was formed by evaluating 7 Purposes in terms of 7 considerations using a
70 % significance
factor.
As the final picture represents a slice from my proprietary belief
space, the analogy I use to
explain this image is that of looking into the cross section of an
inflated inner tube. My
perspective flows in from the south east then up around the
undifferentiated items in the
middle and seeks a resolution in the north east. The analysis and
synthesis of the character
of this grid will develop in a tick-tock fashion by semantically
wrapping a 'story like bandage'
around this 'inner tube.'
The consensus raw material data is available as is the freeware and the
Ingrid Tutor.
TO MAINTAIN THE ILLUSION OF
FREE SPEECH THE EXTROPY LIST
PROCLAIMS ITSELF UNFIT TO
DISCUSS BASICS
"youth and skill can always knock out old age and
treachery"
> >Hal Finney wrote:
> >> Did someone really invite people to join extropians in order to have a place to talk about this? I think
your answer is found at
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~income/ekus/nspic.html
Or to be more responsive, yes, someone did.
Freespeak wrote:
> Jim Legg, already an Extropian as far as I know, and owner of the above website, expressed an interest in
the NSPIC debate, so I asked him to participate.
Frederick, please let me say how much I admire your revelations of what
it took for you to
bring this debate here. I'm a rejoined extropian list member and I came
here specifically for
this debate because I have something to offer.
> I don't understand what he's doing with NSPIC on his website, nor why he's doing it. I got the
I don't yet understand where else you have debated NSPIC before now. I'm
playing catch up
with your mindset the best way I know how. I stress that there is a
tacit understanding on my
page whether you refuse to see it or not. At this stage of the debate my
understanding of
what you're doing with NSPIC is quid pro quo. I hope you're not
deliberately being a evasive
with your display of ignorance about my intentions. To which I will with
tact rate the
discontinuously significant barrier of you being a Judas Sheep in
betraying others like me to
the secret police of the META tag on the extropy list.
I have the impression -- perhaps misguided on my part -- that you're on
terms with
"radically libertarian psychology," and a defender of price economics
remaining in its
current form. Please convince me otherwise or you will skeptically
oppose me with your
disbelief. Your decisions will force my loss of formulation as
determined by Dramatica
Theory. It's therefore important for this debate that you and the rest
of the extropy list
unconditionally surrender all ideas of having money and evaluate the
replacement of belief
in price in order to transcend the illusion of price.
If this can't be done the destruction of Ingrid will cause terrible loss
and retribution in the
public exposing and overturning the terrorcrats. If such an entity
exists (the extropy META
police) it is to now cease tactless email hiccups during this debate, no
one running
interference - ok? Otherwise I hope you're prepared to declare this
debate publicly exposed
here on the family group known the extropian list. It is demonstrably
important to realizing
that forceful skill with Ingrid is my singularity's means to communicate
to extropians about
NSPIC. Are you aware that Tony Blair, Britain's new PM, is trained in
and seems to approve
of this repertory grid technique.
> impression -- perhaps misguided on my part -- that he thinks he
already knows all the elements of NSPIC
and has written them on his website. But I couldn't find there even one
of the elements I think I've identified.
Don't jump to conclusions, this is only the circumspection phase of the
debate. Tell me
what you think after you "See What You Think..." Feel free to send me an
updated list of
your elements and the related grid values. As yet I haven't seen any.
Frederick, you may have
an inventory of identified elements. As these become known from your
email, they will add
to my Ingrid program and the results will change on the website. It is
empirically analytical
and can show consensus.
This is the list of elements that I have seen as this debate stands.
Your seven purposes are
starring at right you. If you don't think purposes are elements, then
sorry to sound harsh but
please back off your inappropriate use of the word 'element'.
PURPOSES (or ELEMENTS)
ImpFor 1. to improve the formulation of NSPIC.
Identf 2. to identify all the elements of NSPIC.
Barrrs 3. to identify the barriers to understanding NSPIC.
Skills 4. to identify the thinking skills needed to transcend NSPIC.
ENDED
Trnsnd 6. identification of a series of steps to transcend NSPIC.
Benfit 5. to outline the benefits gained from understanding and
transcending NSPIC.
DevCom 7. develop the means to communicate to extropians about NSPIC
Since the debate started more sinister elements are emerging
ConPrj 8. convert others - New Paradigms Discussion Group
Enemy 9. arrange thread assassination
netiqt A. develop the netiquette to communicate to others about NSPIC
Resign D. to declare extropy list unfit to discuss basics
CabalX B. to expose to the public and overturn the terrorcrats - ENDED
Judas C. to ensure Frederick Mann isn't a Judas - ENDED
CONSIDERATIONS (or CONSTRUCTS)
Consen - the need to obtain Consensus
Timtbl - the Time required to implement
Belief - the difficulty of adapting existing belief systems
Debate - the NSPIC debate itself
Extrpy - the current style of the Extropy Institute
Ingrid - the Freeware called The Ingrid Thought Processor
Statsm - the objections of the current form of Statism.
Since the debate started more sinister constructs are emerging
Secret - extropy surrenders
Royal - The Royal Illusion
Territ - the map is not the territory illusion
libert - radically libertarian psychology
price - the illusion of price
FreeSp - the illusion of free speech
Irrational considerations
Dupes - sinister email tampering and dupe storms - ENDED
ImpFor Identf Barrrs Trnsnd Benfit DevCom ConPrj Enemy netiqt CabalX
Judas Skills Resign
Consen 4 2 5 4 5 2 1 2 3 4 2 3 4
Timtbl 1 2 3 5 3 2 2 5 1 2 3 4 1
Belief 2 2 5 5 3 5 4 5 4 4 4 3 4
debate 2 2 2 4 5 5 2 4 1 4 5 4 5
extrpy 2 2 4 5 3 4 4 2 2 2 4 2 5
Ingrid 4 5 3 5 5 5 2 4 4 4 4 4 5
statsm 2 4 5 3 2 1 4 3 3 4 4 2 4
Secret 4 5 2 4 4 5 2 2 2 4 1 4 2
Royal 3 3 4 1 2 3 4 4 3 1 5 3 2
Territ 4 4 5 3 4 5 3 4 4 1 4 4 3
libert 2 4 4 2 2 2 4 4 2 2 4 2 4
price 2 5 5 4 4 5 3 4 3 1 5 4 5
Dupes 1 4 5 1 1 2 2 4 4 4 2 2 3
FreeSp 2 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 5 2 4 2
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Initial cut & paste interpretation:
The consideration which discriminates most between the Purposes of
Frederick
Mann's proposed NSPIC debate is the The NSPIC debate itself followed by
the difficulty of
adapting existing belief systems & the objections of the current form of
Statism. Little
discrimination between the Purposes was exhibited in terms of the
Freeware called
The Ingrid Thought Processor & the current style of the Extropy
Institute.
The Purposes for which the strongest responses were given in terms of
considerations is to identify the barriers to understanding NSPIC ,
followed by
development of the means to communicate about NSPIC to extropians &
identification of a series
of steps to transcend NSPIC . This does not mean that these Purposes are
necessarily
the most important but they are the ones that Jim Legg feels most
strongly
about.
The most highly positively related considerations are the current style
of the
Extropy Institute & the difficulty of adapting existing belief systems
. This means that
the Purposes that are highly affected by the current style of the
Extropy Institute are
also highly affected by the difficulty of adapting existing belief
systems & vice versa.
The opposite condition applies to the objections of the current form of
Statism & the
NSPIC debate itself.
ANALYSIS:
The NSPIC debate itself MAY NOT identify all the elements of NSPIC DUE
TO the current
style of the Extropy Institute AND the objections of the current form of
Statism AGAINST
developing the means to communicate about NSPIC to extropians.
To improve the formulation of NSPIC WITHOUT the difficulty of adapting
existing belief
systems AND the need to obtain Consensus AI CAN identify the thinking
skills needed to
transcend NSPIC.
The time required to implement AND to identify the barriers to
understanding NSPIC AND
to outline the benefits gained from understanding and transcending NSPIC
IS BEST
SERVED BY identification of a series of steps to transcend NSPIC USING
the Freeware
called The Ingrid Thought Processor.
SYNTHESIS:
By force of language, parasites can always be exposed and made to
resign.