Re: Is cryopreservation a solution?

Berrie Staring (
Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:48:24 +0200

> At 15:07 12-09-97 Micheal Butler wrote:
> >But consider the life insurance policy as a way of storing up value. At
> >maturation, you can convert the polcy to cash. If you die before then
> >to mishap, not diet or lifestyle), you can get frozen. If people are
> >immortal before then, you cash it in early.
> Lifestyle... ;-) Right:
> If I get myself killed in the next 25 years or so the *overriding*
> probability is that it will be on an mountaineering expedition (Kill-rate
> is about 1-5% per summit). If this is the case then the chances of my
> remains reach a facility in time are nil (if any remains remain, not much
> left to suspend when you get hit by an avalanche or make a 1000Ft drop
> without-parachute).
> I guess long-term future is not my primary concern, the next expedition
Well.....these economic vs lifestyle things are all personal ofcourse !
In my case saving my "brain-patren" is worth a few bucks

> Maybe this is hard to understand for most Extropians but in light of
> facts suspension is not *my* priority.
> But I'm meeting with Den Otter (in the flesh, so to speak) tomorrow and
> looking forward to talking with him and some other

Well we will convince you :-)

> >> This is what I mean. Before signing up (if & when this becomes
possible in
> >> Holland)
> >
> >You mean it's legally impossible in the Netherlands today?
> I'n note sure, it's also a matter of availability of a site, none yet
> Den Otter has been doing some research on the possibilities for
> in Holland.
> Den, care to comment?
We start a group in The Netherlands as we speak, called Excedo
We will try to sort out all the problems.
But the Netherlands is a very Liberal country, so I see a lot of options.

> >> I must be convinced that the best way to spend $50K - $120K is
> >> freezing my head then I will.
> >
> >It's a hedge. Are you healthy? How much is the government (or are you)
> >spending on health insurance? Why, if you're healthy? Isn't there
> >something better to do with all that money?
Whats better for you !?
Don't get me wrong here.......I do care a lot about the people on this

> It's not just about me, giving it to the a (carefully selected)
> project in a third-world country might be, in my view, a better way of
> spending it. For $100.000 you can have an (very risky) shot at the
> of one person in a Holland or the US... *or* you can cure a couple of
> hundred people in Nepal.
> Might not be a bad alternative... It all depends on how various things
> develop.
> I feel that if can help save a life at little expense to myself than it
> my obligation to do so (at least to a certain extent).

OK ! this is a point ofcourse: but you could ask you this question, wtih
every buck you spend. I mean : every guilder I earn can be spent
to a good alternative.
But, after I done my share ( fill in what ever you like )...........the
priority would be saving my "brain patren"

Sould I invest in the aging research now ! will that save me ? I give them a few

Next: what if they don't make it in time !? :-)
Well......back in the same circle. What I read sofar has given me the
idea that we are at least 100 years away ( not rational, i agree )
from the breaktrough regarding repairing damage, and maybe
even from substancial aging-prevention. So taken this into consideration
and also the fact that you may drop dead tommorow, there's at
the moment only one chance to save me ( as in ME, not just my brains )
If I make it in time to the cool-box :-)

Have a nice weekend all !