Re: Steganography

From: Samantha Atkins (
Date: Sat Sep 29 2001 - 04:07:08 MDT

Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> Eugene Leitl wrote,
> > > Nothing is uncrackable these days, even with brute-force.
> > Sorry, but this is compleat bullshit.
> OK. I exaggerate. Rather than "nothing is uncrackable", I should have said
> "99% of the freebie downloadable software in use today run by clueless users
> who just use the default settings and have no patience for time-consuming
> complicated mathematics is probably crackable by a really determined
> attacker today."

You would still be wrong. The complicated math is in the

> > No one is talking about encryption for an eternity,
> > Secrets grew really stale really quick.
> > In financial crypto a few minutes will do
> I thought you disagreed with me above, but this seems to agree with my
> point. Encryption is not forever. It is a temporary protection that is
> "good enough" for now.

Good enough is good enough. Crackable long after anyone cares
or has
use for the contents is pragmatically uncrackable.
> I thought this whole thread was because some people seem to imagine that
> they can hide messages from the government and military that will never be
> detected and will never be cracked. I'm just saying that this is naive and
> such people had better do more than just download outguess and pgp.

You can hide messages that will never ever be cracked. PGP is
not efficiently crackable except by attacks that capture keys.

- samantha

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