Re: An apology - Re: Singularity: Can't happen here

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Tue Sep 11 2001 - 18:07:34 MDT

Well, so do I. However, I think that the idea that American military
people would be so casual about firing on freinds, relatives, etc is at
least as laughable. Being a veteran myself, I can pretty much say that
outside of a few nuts and racists, 99% of military personnel would say
that the idea of shooting at Americans is not what they signed up for,
and would be considered to be illegal orders. The only possible
exceptions to this, I think, would be shooting at left wingers.... you
might get more cooperation on that score (oh, and lawyers, too)....

Samantha Atkins wrote:
> On the idea of taking over a state by democratic means through
> packing it with dedicated libertarians, I retract my earlier
> views and apologize for laughing at the concept. On further
> reflection the idea has some real merit. I still worry about
> the size of the possible military response to an actual
> secession though.
> - samantha
> Brian Phillips wrote:
> >
> > From: Mike Lorrey <>
> > Subject: Re: Singularity: can't happen here
> >
> > Samantha Atkins wrote:
> > >
> > > This is nearly a declaration of war. Any one got any suggested
> > > new homes for ex-US citizens? If this passes there will be
> > > little reason to be here.
> > Mike Lorrey wrote
> > <I think that the best option is secession of some small population US
> > state. Look at the Free State Project (,
> > which seeks to get 20,000 libertarian minded people to move to one state
> > to tip its political balance toward libertarian policies if not outright
> > secession. Current top candidates are New Hampshire and Alaska, among
> > others like Wyoming, etc. Note that the secessionist party in Alaska
> > allegedly got 25% of the vote in the last election, and New Hampshire
> > has elected more libertarian state legistlators (25) in the last ten
> > years than any other.>
> > I have to say Alaska would be the best bet. 620,000 population.
> > Not sure whether that includes military personnell. You'd have to be
> > prepared for some shenigans involving absentee voting by all the
> > military personnel who spent a tour in Alaska and declared it their
> > home of record to get the resident stipend :)
> > It's arguably the best state to go it alone, geographically isolated,
> > plentiful rescources, not sharing a common border with the states is
> > helpful. But maybe the most important part is only Hawaii has a
> > better legitimate legal justification for seccession.
> > Bringing about a statewide referendum on the "4 choices" wouldn't
> > be nearly as difficult to pull off as trying to get a plurality in Wyoming.
> > To say nothing of trying to run an independant country out of New
> > Hampshire.
> >
> > brian

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