Re: Singularity: can't happen here

From: Samantha Atkins (
Date: Mon Sep 10 2001 - 13:23:03 MDT

Mike Lorrey wrote:
> Samantha Atkins wrote:

> >
> > Hahahahaha hehehehe! We can barely get 20,000 people to attend
> > a protest rally on these subjects and you want to get them to
> > lay their lives, fortunes and citizenship on the line to
> > actually seceed from the US? It is a fun dream but I think it
> > is really dreamland right now. Assuming you can find these find
> > Libertarian brave souls, do you think they will have the means
> > or the will to develop a strong enough Defense to survive? Or
> > are we talking major technology breakthrough that throws a
> > forcefield around the entire state?
> a) NH's state constitution retains the right to secede, and has since
> before it became the 9th and ratifying signor of the US Constitution.

Sure, sure. But we saw what happened the last time any states
attempted that. I have little reason to believe the response
today would be less extreme. Particularly if the new
state/country is set up with laws quite different than the US.
I can imagine the excuses for the US to respond militarily.

> b) What makes you think a defense is needed beyond the existing state
> Air Guard units?

I doubt the existing Air Guard would be sufficient against the
combined military of the rest of the US.
> c) YOU can barely get 20 people to agree with your cynicism, but you
> don't seem to be aware that the Free State Project has been done before.

It is not cynicism at all. It is despair of any such scheme
being workable.

> The fellow who started the current incarnation is a Yale person who has
> dug up evidence that there was a similar organization in the early 70's
> at Yale whose purpose was to flood a small state with left wingers to
> tip its political balance. The state they chose was Vermont, and they
> did get the numbers they wanted to move there, and look at the result
> today: socialized medicine, gay marriage, anti-logging laws, and a
> confiscatory state education finance law, as well as anti-growth laws
> and a ban on BGH in the state.

Excuse me but there is not a damn thing wrong with gay
marriage. There is something wrong with bigots telling me that
my desire to marry the partner of my choice is wrong or a matter
of the moral or political decadence.

- samantha

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